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Posted on Oct 25th, 2007 by Jim : Capitalist Jim
 

An Agnostic's Search for God


This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.  Dalai Lama

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Does religion and dogma serve as a foundation for rational life?  What is the impact of religious teaching and thought upon society and our personal effectiveness?  Many say this is simply beyond polite discussion, a personal matter not open to dialogue.  I intend to flagrantly violate that unwritten prohibition.  I ask that you accept my good intention in this endeavor on faith.  However, I encourage you to read and challenge my loosely connected and at times poorly supported premises along with those for any religion you espouse.


I am an agnostic.  I don't know if there is a god.  I doubt it matters greatly whether god exists.  However, I perceive that orthodox religions' propensity to demand we suspend rational thought and accept unlikely dogma is harmful.  If there is a god, according to the bible we are his mirror images.  This leads to the possible conclusion that we may possess many if not all of god's capabilities.  If this is true I for one wish to fully develop and exploit such capacities. 


God likely does not demand we deny reality and common sense.  Yet in almost all religions we are challenged to suspend disbelief in the absence of proof.  My guess is these exhortations are illusionists' diversions.  Unlikely dogmas from various religions include the following:  Someone killed in a holy war is whisked to heaven and set up with a harem of virgins.  Depending on our performance as humans, we are reincarnated to perfect our life experience.  Jesus was born of a virgin.  Jesus died and was resurrected three days later.  The God who created the universe in 7 days needs your money to further his ministry, etc.  Self delusions about cause and effect lead to poor choices and ineffective action.  If god loves us, he abhors delusion.


The majority of Judeo Christian religion is primarily accepted on the basis of avoidance of eternal punishment in hell.  So let's start there, at the root of the insanity, hell.  While I am agnostic, I am reasonably certain of one thing: There is no hell.  I also sincerely doubt that the Bible's divine inspiration.  However, since it is the source for teachings of hell, I will use it in refutation of doctrines of everlasting torment.  Eternal punishment directly contradicts Jesus' admonition to love ones enemies and certainly opposes kindness, mercy and forgiveness.  Hell is not "good news".  Hell creates fear not inner peace.  And, hell has no basis from accurate translation of the Bible.


The word hell is only used three times in the Old Testament.  In each case it is a mistranslation of Sheol the Hebrew word for grave, not hell.  Thus, there was no doctrine of eternal punishment in the Jewish scriptures Jesus advocated.  The doctrine of hell was apparently created by Emperor Constantine, the Catholic Church and continued to be promoted by self serving governments and leaders more intent on slavery than freedom.  Hell was brought to life during the inquisition by murders and torture perpetrated by the church.  The term hell does occur frequently in the New Testament. It is translated from three words: Sheol, Hades, and Gahenna.  None of these words can be interpreted to mean hell.

I have already addressed the first word Sheol.  Hades is a Greek word and is an addition of the Greek hell.  Jesus spoke Aramaic.  At the time of Jesus, the Greeks had no doctrine of hell in their religion but later adopted the Egyptian belief in hell.  This belief was not a Jewish belief or one that can properly be attributed to Jesus, because the Greek hell postdates Jesus existence. 


The third root word of hell, Gahenna, was Jerusalem's town dump where fires burned relatively constantly.  Worshippers of the pagan god Molech at Gahenna followed the insane logic of sacrifice to an extreme.  In an effort to protect themselves from the malevolent storm god Molech, they sacrificed their own children to their deity.  To encourage Molech's benevolence they incinerated their offspring.  This is not exactly the idea of a loving god supposedly promulgated by Jesus.  If this cursory analysis of the root word translated into hell is correct, there is also no mention of conventional "hell" in the New Testament.  So what is Hell?  Hell is a hoax! 


Hell is the incorporation of Egyptian beliefs from the Book of the Dead into a religion supposedly based upon Jesus teaching.  A casual reading of the bible suggests that it has been manipulated, mistranslated and misinterpreted.  I have considered conventional opinion in reaching mine, but recognize it as opinion so I can consider new facts as they become available.  The Jews incorporated pagan rituals of animal and human sacrifice that go against common sense.  "Thou shalt not kill" doesn't require much interpretation.  I believe that Jesus intended to undermine this doctrine of blood sacrifice.  He constantly derided the Pharisees and Sadducees that were proponents of sacrifice.   


I think that the sacrificial interpretation of Jesus death is reversion to this silliness and contradicts everything that Jesus taught.  Jesus as the "ultimate sacrifice" for our sins is a continuation of previously flawed and patently foolish pagan beliefs.  Sacrifices do not atone for sins.  They remind supposed sinners of their supposed badness.  This diminishes believers self confidence.  The apparent goal is a society of sheep willing to follow others.  Sheep easily fleeced waiting for divine intervention of their fabricated deity. 


The New Testament was written after Jesus death.  It was "canonized" at the Council of Nicaea in 400 AD.   In essence, the New Testament was compiled by the Catholic Church and the Roman Emperor, Constantine.  Constantine was a worshiper of Mithras, one of many Sun Gods.  There were numerous Sun Gods with uncanny similarities to accepted beliefs about Jesus, despite having originated thousand of years previously. This similarity is particularly suspect given Constantine's role in adopting Christianity.  The following movie shows similarities of the Christ myth and various Sun Gods as well as other insanities based on primitive beliefs incorporated into modern society.  http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/


Conventional interpretation of Jesus driving the money changers from the temple is that he rejected the economic fraud being perpetrated by the priests.  Perhaps more importantly he was also rejecting animal sacrifices and violence as a means of atoning for sin.  He refused to let the sacrificial vessels that were used to collect the sacrifical blood be moved throughout the temple.  If he rejected animal sacrifices, the whole sacrificial metaphor is flawed.


The religious doctrine of self and other human sacrifice is insanity.  How, would violence against an innocent victim correct a sinner's errors? To accept such irrationality requires that we suspend thought.  The emphasis on faith as a precursor to such beliefs is an anathema to truth, but assists irrationality.  Once we believe something it becomes unassailable.  Facts are useless.  Reality is irrelevant.  We have unsubstantiated belief to comfort our muddled ineffective lives based upon groundless lies and insane dogmas. 

Through threats of hell and twisting and fabrication of "gods word" based upon ancient pagan beliefs; Jesus message was twisted by the early Orthodox Church.  Truth is better supported by objective reality.  I think it reasonable to define good and bad as: Good - anything that promotes life.  Bad - anything that promotes death.  With this definition in mind we can better evaluate competing philosophies. 

I do not expect that one will find common sense from a conventional faith in twisted, irrational beliefs stemming from primitive man's attempt to appease violent gods with violence.  God, according to Jesus, is a god of love not judgment.  The Old Testament god is a murderous, vindictive, jealous psychopath; a god of death, destruction and fear.  Jesus' God was a forgiving God.  Which of these God's do you suppose advocated sacrifice?


The bible is full of confusion and contradiction because Jesus message was intended to undermine much believed true about God, sin, and sacrifice.  Love your enemies, and kill them.  The inherent contradictions are created by trying to mesh two opposing philosophies: Jesus philosophy of kindness and forgiveness with the Jewish and Orthodox philosophy of retaliation, punishment and retribution.  Paul - a man who never even met Jesus, Emperor Constantine, and the Catholic Church created sacrificial Christianity, not Jesus.  Jesus was murdered 5 days after running the money changers from the temple.  Jesus forgave sins and healed the sick without any blood sacrifice.  He was not a sacrifice for the world's sins.  He was a thorn in the side of religious leaders, threatened the status quo, and was simply eliminated.


It is my opinion that Jesus message was not given to start a religion but to cure humanity of mental illness created by religious guilt and shame, perpetuated by most religions then and today as well as irrational worry fear, anger, envy, self doubt, and conflict that are the result of not really believing Jesus' message about the good in mankind.


I suggest that Jesus was simply a brilliant man. He was taught the Jewish Law in depth. I think he knew it was tragically flawed. But in those days and times if he had said anything contrary to accepted Jewish doctrines or God he would have been stoned to death. So he spoke in metaphor and parables. He couldn't say there is no God. He said that there is one true God. He lives inside of you. If you pray to him and have faith he will answer your prayers. I sense he was discussing self awareness, presence, meditation and the Law of Attraction.


I think he was using the term God metaphorically to refer to our genius, our subconscious mind or our right brain. In effect, he was turning people away from external authorities to get them to realize their own internal authority, an internal God. All the comments about believing in Jesus are stated in first person as I or me. I'd like a cheeseburger. "I am the truth and the way, no man cometh to the father but by me."

It's the same I.  Translation - if you believe in yourself, you will stand up for yourself and your own conscience.  If you follow Jesus' teachings of nonviolence, you will create "peace beyond all understanding".  Once you find peace, you have access to your genius, your kingdom comes and your will is done on earth as it is in heaven (your subconscious mind is the "Father in heaven")

The religious leaders of his time convinced the State to murder Jesus because he undermined their extortion racket, selling dove, sheep & goats at inflated prices to "forgive sins". He forgave sins for free - without needing a sacrifice. I would maintain that most churches today run the same extortion racket. The charge he was executed for was treason. He was also undermining Rome's extortion racket by reaching out to the common man.  He advocated the common man's connection and importance to god, a much higher authority than the state.  He was advocating justice based on nonviolence. 

People are not drawn to the message of sin, self sacrifice, poverty, shame, guilt and impotence taught by religious leaders then and now. I suspect that wasn't Jesus' message. It creates more heat than light: guilt, shame, and fear. Jesus was the Anthony Robbins of his time. People loved his message which perhaps best simplified to be kind to each other; god is within you and within everyone else.


I suggest that Jesus was attempting to explain that hell and heaven are here and now.  Hell is caused by a lack of belief in ourselves and others.  Thus, someone else's criticism, anger, jealousy, or our worry, sadness or emotional upset causes us to retaliate in self defense creating war, conflict, hatred, literally hell on earth.  By contrast being kind, considerate and respectful of others and seeing good even in our enemies reduces and eliminates conflict creating peace, harmony, prosperity - the Kingdom of Heaven which he repeatedly said "was at hand" i.e. here and now. 

The cornerstone of Christ's philosophy was forgiveness.  Forgiveness frees the forgiver as much as the one pardoned.  Hate harms its container as much or more than what it is applied to.  I believe that Jesus was simply trying to show people how to evolve to higher consciousness that allows peace, prosperity, and abundance. 

Unfortunately, many evils are still perpetrated in the name of Christianity.  I sense that all these evils violate Jesus' basic creed.  We all see the illusions in charity forced upon the givers, for example welfare.  Religions of all stripes create divisiveness of: we're right, you're wrong.  These judgments lead to wars and lesser conflict.  Violence and conflict are not kindness.  Most churches' concentration on sin and sacrifice leads to sanctimony and willingness to sacrifice and demean others.  Condemnation is not kindness.  This twisted rhetoric leads to the oxymoron of holy wars.  If God is love, there are no holy wars or justifiable violence other than self defense. 

We wear distorting glasses today developed by primitive man thousands of years ago.  We see businessmen and greed labeled evil.  Yet any honorable business man creates good by value creation without force or violence.  We believe we are evil and try to sacrifice ourselves on the alter of goodness.  We offer other human sacrifices today in the name of goodness.  Productive members of society are labeled as greedy because they resist armed robbery by jack booted thugs dressed as gentlemen and skilled at creating oratorical illusions of their concern for mankind. 

Our media sings the praises of thugs dressed as gentlemen and decries the greedy businessmen who employ thousand that the thugs rob.  Our ministers proclaim the sin of mankind and offer the salvation of self sacrifice.  Guilt and shame are created so that the guilty do willing penance and purchase indulgences to hopefully avoid eternal hell and damnation by a "loving" god. 

Our poor are offered miserable degrading alms instead of actual help in making a life for themselves.  They are turned into parasites in the name of goodness.  I do not perceive this as good.  Alms for the poor demean the recipient. We dehumanize poverty's victims when we champion the case for welfare or other form of charity. In a way we are being insulting when we champion the incapacity of another human being. The poor have just as much potential as anyone else.  What they need is a hand up, not a handout that reduces the opportunity and wealth for everyone in society. 

Humans are fabulous.  True humility is accepting the reality that god lives within us not on some alien planet.  We diminish ourselves through self doubt created by false prophets fleecing humanity of its true potential. 


Things outside of us do not cause the problems in our lives. It is the irrationality within us that creates our outward problems. Negative emotions: shame, guilt, fear, anger, envy, judging and hatred are within us. Positive emotions: love, joy, bliss, peace, confidence, and self esteem also originate within us. Our response to external conditions creates our suffering or joy regardless the underlying circumstances.  It is insane and we are out of our minds to think external situations or external "Gods" are the solution for internal emotional problems.


People often look for a cure for these emotional problems in religion, and think of morality as a cure all.  However, the fear, guilt, and shame created by irrational, punitive, judgmental dogmas can exacerbate emotional upset.  We are told we are bad, and only by sacrifice can we purify our soul and reach God. We retaliate in kind judging others as worse than us and hand the dirty end of the stick quickly to someone else rather than recognize our ability to end this game of mutually assured self esteem destruction.  Demanding others sacrifice to us, god, or society, we diminish someone else in the name of common good.  Common good can not logically harm one member of society to benefit another, yet this is the flawed paradigm promulgated throughout history.


These standard religious paradigms of good that most of orthodox religion espouses lead us on a merry chase. Our political institutions and parties, even our business management paradigms are based on this foolishness. We try our best to be good and in doing so we are told we must sacrifice our self or others. Suicide and murder are good?  Hogwash!

I have always felt the error of this. And, despite my atheism/agnosticism, I started reading the Bible and spiritual material to try to see where it all went wrong. My mother had done her best in my childhood to infect me with this brain virus, but I rejected it. However throughout our society its acceptance is rampant. You can not avoid it. I saw this most clearly on New Years Day on a family visit. My mother, father and several siblings engaged in an animated discussion of God and the path to him. Their path is through repentance and sacrifice.

I know it's odd that an atheist/agnostic would engage in such a discussion. But, in my search for personal validation, meaning, truth, honesty, or whatever; God/good is a valid line of questioning. What is it that is so flawed in the idea of our sinfulness? I questioned the position that I should view myself as evil if "God" viewed me as valuable enough to send his son to earth for my salvation. This message was supposed to be good news.

Surely, I had inherent redeeming value. I questioned the religious concentration on this supposed badness, the deprecatory view these self righteous held of non-believers, and even redeemed believers, and the goodness of sacrifice.  Death is bad.  What was it that Jesus saw differently that led him to spend his time ministering to such a group of hopeless "sinners"? Not just ministering to them, but treating them honorably enough that they wanted to hear his message. I questioned the sacrificial underpinnings of their faith.

"If I be lifted up, I will draw all men to me". Were they lifting up Christ or an Anti-Christ?  People aren't drawn to the message of sin, self sacrifice, poverty, shame, guilt and impotence? No they avoid it. That wasn't Jesus' message. It creates more heat than light, a literal hell on earth evidenced during the middle ages.

I saw that Jesus believed in people. I began to see that his message wouldn't advocate that I take up his cross, and sacrifice myself  for others benefit. Neither would I advocate others sacrifice for me. The twist is that this is bad. We are being told lies. Bad is not good. Someone is lying to take advantage of people. The Church is like the Mafia with a fire insurance extortion. I started questioning the origins of the Bible. I looked for other translations. In that search I found that the original followers of Jesus had disparate views on Jesus' message.

The Orthodox Church edited the New Testament. In 200 AD they started branding people as heretics who followed Jesus or other spiritual leaders teaching instead of those of the church. They burned and banned many of the original gospels and possibly subverted the meanings of the rest. Whoever challenged that consensus, arguing instead for other forms of Christian teaching, was declared to be a heretic, and expelled. When the Orthodox Church gained military support, sometime after the Emperor Constantine became Christian in the fourth century, the penalty for heresy escalated. Bishop Irenaeus and his followers insisted that there could be only one church, and outside of that church there was no salvation.


What were the fruits of these religious leaders? During the Dark Ages the Orthodox Church slaughtered over 150 million "heretics."  The Church was responsible for more killing than Sadaam Hussein, Adolph Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin combined. This violence can not be reconciled with Jesus teaching of tolerance, love, kindness, forgiveness and mercy.

Prior to the full development of this religious intolerance in the first century AD, the term Gnostic denoted a prominent, if unconventional, segment of the diverse new Christian community. Among these early followers of Christ, it appears that an elite group delineated themselves from the greater household of the Church by claiming not simply a belief in Christ and his message, but a "special witness" or revelatory experience of the divine. It was this experience, this gnosis (knowing), which--so these Gnostics claimed--set the true follower of Christ apart from his fellows.

The Gnostic Gospels were destroyed and their followers murdered. In 1945 a copy of those gospels was found buried in a cave dating from 400 AD. These Gospels have a decidedly different message. What made them worth killing people to suppress? I was determined to see these heresies which necessitated church suppression for 1700 years.


The Gnostic Gospels were originally accepted by some members of the early Orthodox Church but were ultimately excluded by the Counsel of Nicaea.  However, these excluded works may more accurately represent Jesus actual teachings.  These gospels largely dismiss or fail to mention many of the accepted "magical" stories that are reported in the canonized gospels. They  say that Jesus was a man like you and I.  They say that we can be Jesus equal if we follow his teaching.


Gnosis derives from Greek, and connotes "knowledge" or the "act of knowing". (On first hearing, it is sometimes confused with another more common term of the same root but opposite sense: agnostic, literally "not knowing", a knower of nothing.) The Greek language differentiates between rational, propositional knowledge, and the distinct form of knowing obtained not by reason, but by personal experience or perception. It is this latter knowledge, gained from experience, from an interior spark of comprehension that constitutes gnosis.

Carl Gustav Jung, the great Swiss psychologist and a lifelong student of Gnosticism in its various historical permutations, affirms: we find in Gnosticism what was lacking in the centuries that followed: a belief in the efficacy of individual revelation and individual knowledge. This belief was rooted in the proud feeling of man's affinity with the gods...

The eminent scholar of Gnosticism, Elaine Pagels, comments in exegesis, "to know oneself, at the deepest level, is simultaneously to know God: this is the secret of gnosis.... Self knowledge is knowledge of God; the self and the divine are identical. The Gospel of Thomas, one of the Gnostic texts found preserved in the Nag Hammadi Library, gives these words of the living Jesus: Jesus said, 'I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become drunk from the bubbling stream which I have measured out... He who will drink from my mouth will become as I am: I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him.'

In short, Jesus original message appears to be that we find salvation by believing in ourselves, not a church's doctrine. We are good, not bad. Sins are simply mistakes that create negative consequences not justification for divine punishment.  Christ never judged or condemned sinners.  He forgave them.  This gift whether he was god or man was priceless.  He saw people's potential so clearly they began to see it themselves.   When we truly see this potential we become calm, and access our inner resources.  Our unified mind utilizes both hemispheres together. We access whole brained thinking, and stop being reactionary half wits. Our conscience and our vision become the guiding force in our lives.  External authorities' self serving illusions become readily apparent.


We are Gods and God is love.  The cure for the world's problems is the full evolution of humanity based upon freedom, self determinism, integrated honesty, reality, self love, and kindness.  In short, the basis of rational existence can be summarized simply with two words - Choose Life.


James T. Hitt

c 10/25/07


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Rebelrider052 : The Great I AM
4 days later
Rebelrider052 said

Jim:

WOW!

 I couldn't have said it any more better myself.

Also remember that Jesus said bring all the children unto me, for they are the Light, and the life. What this says is that total innocense is the Greatest Value to be held amongst all of us. To bring the innocense of mankind to the forefront, tends to allow everyone to open their minds to things that they would never have  realized, once they had allowed the conditioning of outside authorities to take over their lives.

As sheep, we fully accept the outside conditioning of our minds to allow others to keep control of the flock. Once we denounce the conditioning and control, and seek all knowledge available within us, then our lives will totally transform into the G.O.D.-like qualities we all seek for ourselves and our lives.

Jesus, in my eyes, is somewhat like you espouse.  Jesus was a Rebel with a very loud mouth and an ever-growing following. Jesus spoke in parables and metaphors to confound and confuse the learned of that time (those who could read and write) and gave the hidden message to the country folk who really understood what he told them. Those country folk were like innocent children and could easily see the reality that Jesus spoke about. Jesus was taking mankind away from the controllers, so he was then sacrficed publicly to show all others what would happen to them, if they continued to follow in their endeavors to seek freedom and full knowledge.

It is said in the Bible that in order to know G.O.D. you had to seek him out, and then you would find, but to meet that G.O.D. face to face, you would face death. This death was a hidden message for the rebirth of mankind. Death was not a physical death but a destruction of ideologies that had nothing to do with the path that was needed to be followed. We have to work hard and diligently towards our Kingdom of Heaven.

What is heaven? What is Paradise? A place of solitude or greatness? Where do we find this heaven, solitude and place of Greatness?  Within our own very beings, locked  away since our childhood years, because we have been told, that place that we knew personally, was a fantasy which would never come true. Why? Because we were told it was a sin and we would be then be following the path of the heretics or the non-followers. We were told as children to become sheep and integrate into the fold or the herd, and do as we are told. We were to follow blindly and forget our learning as children, which was in all reality the full path of life each of us must now find again.

It is time to become children once again and bring forth our knowledge and awareness of ourselves to reveal the G.O.D. within all of us.

Rebelrider052 : The Great I AM
4 days later
Rebelrider052 said

Let it be known, that I consider and define G.O. D.  as:                                  

                                   Greatness On Demand !

WhiteWolf : White Wolf has left the building...
4 days later
WhiteWolf said

It was just because of the hypocrisy of the church that I could never really accept it. I almost became a priest because family saw me as a spiritual person and because we were Catholics, said I must be a priest. I followed the path, but never could I swallow the Nicene Creed. I knew some of the atrocities that the church committed during the Middle Ages. In latter years, I came to know also about the Albengensian Crusade and the slaughter of the Cathars. Why? Because many people in the south of France stopped going to the Catholic church and were following the Cathars? There is no justification for taking another man's life except in the preservation of your own. And even then only if that is the only path to be taken. Yet, throughout history, the Church as either directly, through alliances such as with the King of France, or by Papal Bull authorized the murder of millions. It was such doctrine that allowed Christopher Columbus to murder or enslave the Tainos. Why we still celebrate that man, I will never know. He never set foot in the states and he was a murderous fiend. He more than any other was responsible for the deaths of millions of indigenous peoples. Yet, he and Martin Luther King are the only two people who have holidays named after them. Not George Washington, not Abe Lincoln, not Kennedy, or Ike, rather for them we have Presidents Day. While Martin Luther King is deserving for his work for civil rights, Columbus did nothing for this country. He discovered nothing! There were millions of people all ready here. That would be like me going to France and planting an American flag stating that I had discovered this land in the name of America. But I digress way off track there. The point being that because of the Papal Bull issued, Columbus was ordained to commit the atrocities on the people as he saw fit. We won't even get into the missionaries and the Indian Schools.

Bucephalus : Clarity Finder
10 days later
Bucephalus said

Jim, I really appreciate you offering your views in such detail.  I would like to share, that from my own experience, your interpretation does line up with orthodox Christianity in at least one sense.  Paul wrote to the Romans, “The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Cor. 2:14, NIV)

What Paul is getting at is that Christianity is not a different set of facts, it is a different epistemology, a different worldview from the rest of the world.  To say that Christianity does not match up with a modern scientific worldview, or that some of the Bible doesn't make sense is not an insult or even a criticism of Christianity, due to the above verse.

I believe that the Bible should be the beginning of our search for faith, but not the end.  I believe that concepts like “proof” and “irrational” are western concepts that should be examined in depth on a personal level before dismissing, but they should not either be held up as personal Gods.

In any case, thanks for letting me share as well!

Father Amadeus : High Priest of Conscious Capitalism
10 days later
Father Amadeus said

Bravo, Jim!  Your view, as you know, squares nearly perfectly with my own. That likely scares you more than comforts you! lol!

I applaud you taking the time to take us step-by-step through your thought process on God, religion and the memes which are perpetuating so much internal and external suffering upon our world.  Certainly there was a man called “Yeshua” who developed a loyal following while tormenting those who had much to lose from any change in the status quo.  Like you, I find the Gnostic Jesus so much more compelling and likely more historically accurate than the Pauline/Constantine Christ.

As a result of this wonderful post, the Life!Church America Council on Not-Knowing does hereby bestow upon you the designation of Knighthood.  So, congratulations Sir Jim!

I stand with you and so many others who can no longer simply remain silent while religious zealotry of all stripes makes ever more outrageous attempts to conform other human beings to the whims of dictators and fascists who seek to re-enslave humanity in the name of their God.  We have every right to state our truth just as boldly and just as confdently as do those who claim that God speaks directly to them in ways restricted from the rest of us.

If the mind of God has a manifestation in this world, then we are each part of that mind and we each have the ability to think with that mind without the aid of the witchdoctor, the evangelist, the Imam, the Pope or the preacher. As Yeshua is quoted as having said in one of the Gnostic Gospels, “Lift up the rock, I am there.”

This is an equally exhilarating and frightening time to be having the human experience.  As millions of us wake up to the possibility that we are the only Gods at work in our lives, we quickly realize that millions of others are embracing the dark ages memes of fear of repression being spewn from mostly from the minds and the mouths of men seeking to control and contain the human spirit.

Yeshua also said that you would know those who knew his truth by their “fruit”.  Such has never been more true than today.  So far as I'm concerned, you're a good apple!

Namaste!

~Kurt

Jim : Capitalist
12 days later
Jim said

I am honored at your responses.  Life is such a wonderful gift and your comments have greatly enriched my search to find rational thoughts to base mine upon.  Respect for life and consequent  respect for others results in a valuing liberty and repudiation of slavery.  Love not hate is the source of true power.  I am reminded of John Gaults quote in Atlas Shrugged, “I swear - by my life and my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.” Kindness in it's simplest form begins with self respect, not diminishment.  Until we fully accept that we are deserving of our own honor, respect, love and kindness how could we bestow it upon another.  Philosophies diminishing and critical of mankind fail to honor this basic premise of Jesus' teachings, and are based upon a foundation of meanness, not kindness.  Thank you all for your kind comments.

18 days later
Dave said

Hi Jim,

I thoroughly enjoyed your words, and the passion behind them.  I agree with your comment on my blog, that we probably do not agree with each other, which is both wonderful, and to be respected.

At the heart of my joy as a Catholic, and your passion for goodness, we are certainly aligned on Jesus' message as one of love thy neighbour, and to focus on giving positively to the world.   There is no debate there whatsoever.

Perhaps the fact that my dad was in the Catholic semenary before meeting my mom, I come from a deeply rooted belief in the Church.  I have wondered at times if I really am that blind.  Fortunately, I had a friend, (a Jewish Rabbi and physchologist), who told me to challenge everything the church taught me.  If I did this authentically, he bet that I would find peace in Jesus teachings, and the conflict would go away.  He is right.

A couple of comments.. I had the opportunity a few years ago to run a company that built data analysis tools using artificial intelligence.  You could literally search a library of books in two hours, and find the most significant patterns between Dr. Zeuss and Dr. Zhivago. 

What I discovered was, that context comes before content.  If anyone, and I mean anyone, has a hypothesis or belief, you can find the data to prove you are right.  While your context Jim, is clearly anti-religion, you have found significant content in the Bible and in the history of Christianity, to rationally challenge the truth behind Christian and Catholic faith.

I, on the other hand, believe in the context of the Church as a community of people who believe dearly in Christ's message, and in the mysteries of Christ… Immaculate Conception, resurrection etc.  And within the Bible, and recently, the writings of John Paul II and Pope Benedict, there is tremendous rational content about love, spirituality, and explanations about topics such as heaven and hell.

Did you know that 5 years ago, John Paul II explained that there is no place called hell.  Hell is not a place, it is not a destination for sinners.  Hell is the absence of  love within us.  We can live in 'hell' while we are alive on earth, and while I am not sure you'd agree, our consciousness / spirit continues after we have passed away.  If we lived a life without loving others, as Jesus did, our consiousness will be with out love, and the joy that loving energies bring.  If we live with love in our hearts, our spirits will hold that love for eternity, after we have left this world.

For whatever reason some of us reject religion, and others embrace it.. we do share a common context.. that was reflected in Jesus' teachings.. the context of love.  Finally, on the Old versus New Testament, Pope Benedict does a wonderful treatise on Jesus being the one human who changed the Bible's message from one of fear and power that is in the Old Testament,, and is the tradition of Judaism,  to one of joy and love that is the New Testament.  On your analysis of the Bible, Pope Benedict would agree with you on the distinctions between the Old and New.. although I am not sure you would agree with him.. :)

This is something I wrote a couple of years ago..

Every step we take, every breath we make,
Takes us closer to truth, away from truth, or no where at all.

Our purpose, is to follow a path towards truth, no matter what that looks like. 
If we have love in our hearts, we will find ourselves at the same destination.

While I like to use God and truth interchangeably, it really is all about the good and bad choices we make.. as you so clearly described.

Thank you my friend,

Dave

Jim : Capitalist
18 days later
Jim said

Dave,

Thank you.  Yes, I find much of value in Jesus teachings.  I was not aware that the Catholic Church had changed the teachings of hell.  To my knowledge this has not been followed by other denominations.  One comment you make resonates with me that God and truth are interchangeable.  I do not know if there is a god.  I do not know if there is life after death.  I doubt it, but who knows.  However, if one reads the bible  with these alterations it , I think, makes more sense.  Replace the term god with honesty, truth, or infinite intelligence.  Replace the term devil or Satan with dishonesty or deception. Truly believe that truth, honesty, genius, infinite intelligence, or perhaps God is available to everyone in a calm state in which one can access their own subconscious mind.  This is where a search for god, or good must be conducted to hope for success.  I view this as a valid personal search.  In my reading of the bible I replaced the term I or me where Jesus spoke of belief with Jim.  If you look on the web you can find what is called the Thomas Jefferson Bible, an edited verion on the Bible focusing primarily on Jesus teachings about interpersonal relations.  I challenge you to find the peace that passes all understanding, eternal life, and heaven.  Jesus said it is at hand, here and now, and in the gnostic texts, here, but people don't see it.  Eternal life is not beyond the realm of possibility.  If mankind had full access to their mental birth gifts I have little doubt that the aging mechanism could be disabled.  Jesus teaching from my perspective was holding out this promise as a literal reality if mankind made the leap to the next evolution of mankind.

Regards,
Jim

18 days later
Dave said

Jim,

Excellent!

Methinks we might be soul brothers.  Have you ever read Narsiscus and Goldman by Hermann Hesse?  A WONDERFUL story of a loving brotherly friendship between an agnostic and a priest.  Highly recommended!

Many years ago, I replaced any Biblical reference to God, with “truth” and “loving energy”, and all of a sudden, I completely understood what the Bible was saying.  There were fewer parables, and it read almost (not quite) literally.

That is what I love about reading John Paul II and Benedict's own works.  They speak, not of God who is some kind of superior being sitting in a throne somewhere, but of the essence of God, as Love, and as truth.  When the leader of the Catholic Church speaks as you and I, it gives me faith on the institution of religion, and that the spirit you and I hold within us.. is consistent, as opposed to contradictory to the Church.

The distinction between Christianity and Judaism is the context of god as a spirit of truth in the Christian sense, and the controller of truth in the Jewish sense.

Jesus broke the old mould, and created the new.

I am afraid that some (excuse the term) rationalists use very materialistic / atomic language that when applied to religion, loses the context of the spirit of Christianity, and replaces it with dogma.  The Church is not nearly as dogmatic as many non-believers claim to be the case.

Forever in love and truth,

Dave

about 1 month later
friendstacy said

Dear Jim, I am going to finish reading your entire blog, and all the comments, but I gotta get this out while it's still fresh in my mind…

“The doctrine of hell was apparently created by Emperor Constantine”
Plato, in The Republic (it's like a how-to manual for those who want to rule), explains why the concept of “evil” must be invented, in order to give the people something to blame when things go wrong, rather than taking responsibility for their own lives.  It serves many purposes, the least of which is to create a fear in the hearts of the governed, so that they might not take it upon themselves to make the world a better place, so they won't rise up in rebellion, demanding to be treated with respect and dignity.

“We won't allow poets to say that the punished are made wretched and that it was a god who made them so. But we will allow them to say that bad people are wretched because they are in need of punishment and that, in paying the penalty, they are benefited by the gods.”

Jim : Capitalist
about 1 month later
Jim said

Stacy,

Excellent insight.  I am reminded a movie of an orphanage with lousy food where a child goes up to the authority figure dishing out the unpalatable gruel and says, ” may I have another sir.” Self initiated and delivered punishment viewed as justified devine retribution.

Thanks,
Jim

about 1 month later
friendstacy said

somewhat indirectly in response to what Dave had to say:

There surely are some small bits of truth in the Bible, I'll not deny that.  But what we must also take into consideration is how that truth has been presented in such a way by those in power as to enforce obedience and conformity upon the populace, and how there's lots of stuff in there that simply does not ring true when put to careful scrutiny.  Questioning my beliefs does not weaken, but rather strengthens my faith, because then only true beliefs remain.  The Church tells us it is a sin to question their authority.  This is my main objection to organized religion.  They tell us not to seek truth, they got it right here for us in a nice neat pill.  If it gets stuck in our throat, they got some fancy wine that if it doesn't dislodge the pill, at least we'll be too drunk to care.

WhiteWolf : White Wolf has left the building...
about 1 month later
WhiteWolf said

Hmm, Jim, I would say either Annie or Oliver. I never saw the movie Oliver, but I read the book. A lot of Dickens work were social statements wrapped in prose.

Diana : TheMetaphysicalPotter
about 1 month later
Diana said

Jim, what you say in this that you wrote is said so clearly.  I loved reading it, every bit of it.

I believe that we ourselves are God when we know that we are, but not until.  There are books out there much more scientific than the Bible where God speaks, such as this below that I quote from “The Divine Illiad” by Walter Russell.  
 

“Man alone of all My creating things hath begun to hear My whisperings. Since his beginning My still small Voice hath whispered within him that I am he and he Me; but even now barbaric man on thy small new world heareth dully, and maketh idols which he treasures before Me, for he is still new. He is still but in the ferment of his early brewing.

“for I say, that all things which floweth from Life of Me have Life of Me flowing through them, e'en to the least of these; but, I say, that e'en though My Light of immortal Life floweth through those mortal symbols of My thinking, It toucheth them not in Its passing.

“When they shall know the Light of Me in them, then they shall be Me and I them.”

From…..The Divine Iliad


I have a library on line where there are  metaphysical books which I have loved over the last few years and have typed up in their entirety. The “Divine Illiads” are in this library as well as many other good books.  The Divine Illiads  present  God in a way that I can fully embrace. One gets a scientific knowing of God through reading it and it is good for sharing with those who relate to science moreso than religion.

A person I met on a forum was interested to know that I had typed up so many good metaphysical books by some of the older mystics, and so he created this library where anyone can go and read these books that I typed.   This below  is the address.  It makes it easy for me to send anyone here instead of sending files as attachments to their e-mail addresses. Check it out. You might find some books in there that you have been looking for. 

www.sonichenge.com/library/index.htm

username is sonicreader
password is hedgehog 

debyemm : Tree Hugging Dirt Worshiper
about 1 month later
debyemm said

Jim,

You asked for my opinion on this and as I often do, I will comment only on your initial blog and then go back and read the other comments and responses afterwards.  I do this in an attempt to comment only from my authenticity and personal point of view.  Please note that important word - personal - not to be misinterpreted that I know any kind of universal truth or answer to your musings.  I doubt you are going to find me far apart from your thoughts on this topic though.

I did see the Zeitgeist movie quite some time ago and was captivated by the coincidences in Christianity and possible sources of the beliefs that later came to be known as that religion.

What came first into my mind in reading your blog, is my own reaction to 9/11.  My first reaction was this is what is wrong with “religion” in general, that it can and has throughout history engendered such acts.  I don't believe in any hell beyond that created by an individual, and by extension a culture or a nation, in a particular time/space location.  I believe the only hell any of us experience - when returning to non-physical - is whatever we expect to find or think we deserve.  Likewise, do I believe heaven to be - what each individual expects or thinks they deserve.  Then, reality takes charge and whatever the ultimate reality is, we each ultimately come face to face with that truth.  I do believe in the survival of consciousness beyond the explicate manifestation of matter (meaning our physical body and life history).

The God that saved me from my own irrationality was totally internal, so deeply internal that my mind wasn't ruling it.  It was so perfect and true to my well being that it's support of me was unquestionable.  Many refer to their connection to the Ultimate Reality of All That Is as their Inner Being, their Source, as well as many other names and descriptives.  Once when I was questioning what I should call it, as “god” is so fraught with misconceptions and misinterpretations, it answered me - ME.  I ever think of it now as ME:me.  There is the larger ME that extends through all time and space, all realities, all past and future lives and everything in between. 

The me conversing with you, thinking these thoughts, typing them into my computer is the little me that is this limited physical manifestation in time and space of that larger ME.  The I that is me can contemplate and try on a variety of thoughts, ideas and philosophies.  There is no wrong path in doing this.  The only ones that stick for me are the ones that resonate with me personally and I require the company of no other human being in that regard but companions along the way, whose beliefs and lives overlap mine, are always welcome.

I believe that  a personal, revelatory experience - through the intentional living of one's life - is the only way to know the truth about the sacred, what some would call divine, aspects that being alive entails.  It is the most beautiful and amazing and enchanting and entertaining path I've found in my 50+ years of living.  Knowledge gained from “gained from … an interior spark of comprehension”.  That just so beautifully words my experience.


Thanks for bring me here to a long, historically based, personally researched, unfolding of your insights and musings.

Deborah

Jim : Capitalist
about 1 month later
Jim said

Deborah,

I greatly appreciate your comments and insight.  You said, “The God that saved me from my own irrationality was totally internal, so deeply internal that my mind wasn't ruling it.  It was so perfect and true to my well being that it's support of me was unquestionable.   I ever think of it now as ME:me.”

I do not know your experience of that understanding.  But, for me it was a profoundly moving emotional event that sparked my first blog post here, “A New Paradigm for the World.”  I wrote that post to capture a map to that inner core.  If I would ever lose my way again in the dark night of ego based illusion, I would always have a treasure map back to the authentic ME. 

Regards,
Jim

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